[Jackie Sayers]

Worth looking at the overall winner of the 2010 Good Scrutiny Awards at http://www.cfps.org.uk/userfiles/file/CF...rtsFiN.pdf

Also the annual CfPS scrutiny survey lists structures - it must be on the CfPS site somewhere ...

[Julia Regan]

In terms of the advantages and disadvantages of the various models, the LGIU "open to scrutiny" report by Jo Dungey and Steve Leach's "party politics and scrutiny in local government" contains some helpful information and I think some of the INLOGOV work from the early days of scrutiny sets this out too.

I agree with other posts here that what is best will be determined by local circumstances - political composition, level of support from Cabinet and/or from Directors, resources available, preferences of members,, previous experience...

one plea though, please don't call the Commission plus ad-hoc task and finish groups arrangement the "Camden model". Camden discontinued that model in 2006.

[Ed Hammond]

Sorry Julia - I know - it is certainly quite silly to use the term when Camden get rid of it nearly five years ago.

I think this is testament to Tim Young going around a lot in 03/04/05 talking to everyone about it - I think Camden were the first authority to adopt this kind of approach, weren't they? It impinged rather a lot on the scrutiny consciousness back in the day.

Still, the terminology isn't very current any more.

[Josh Mynott]

But if Camden invented it (and someone else might want to claim priority), then it should be the Camden model, even if they've moved on.

People in Dundee, I suspect, eat a range of puddings, pastry and gateaux, but there will always be a particular type of cake named after the town where it was (presumably) invented. Likewise, Heimlich and his manouvre, the Turkish and their delight, or Wellington and his boots ( I can hear him now -"I was Prime Minister for goodness sake. I won astonishing and epoch-defining military victories. Once, just once, I wear a pair of high leather boots, and it's that they remember...").

Camden should be proud to have something named after it, even - sorry, especially - a scrutiny structure.

Although, it's already got a lock, market and terrible Suggs somg, I suppose.

Call it the Camden model - it's much easier to say and remember than "Single Commissioning Committee With Ad Hoc Time Limited Task And Finish Groups"

[Ed Hammond]

Maybe we should get a European Protection of Designated Origin order made for the Camden model, so that the only authority allowed to have one committee with task and finish groups would be Camden. Like with Melton Mowbray pork pies which must come from Melton Mowbray.

And unlike Lancashire cheese, which you can buy down here but which is basically just mild cheddar, rather than the *proper* stuff you get from the indoor market on Abingdon Street in Blackpool.

Anyway, I digress. I think it might make sense for us to explore this further through use of the wiki, which hasn't proved wildly popular since we set it up but which seems designed perfectly for this topic. I will start something off in due course and we will see where we get.

[Peter Marrington]

What about the 'Young' model or am I thinking of something else?

[Nick Beale]

peter marrington Wrote:What about the 'Young' model or am I thinking of something else?

I think you can see it advertised around Camden, on cards in phone boxes