[Jane Di Dino]

Since this was discussed here last June, have any of your councils looked further into how health & wellbeing boards, healthwatch and Health Overview & Scrutiny Committees could work together? Subject to the finalisation of the Health & Social Care Bill of course.

[tim gilling]

I recently took part in Q and A session about the relationship between Health and Wellbeing Boards, scrutiny and local Healthwatch with John Wilderspin from the Dept of Health. The session can be viewed on the CoP for the National Learning Set for Health and Wellbeing Boards. You may need to register to view:

http://www.communities.idea.gov.uk/c/101...d=14835402

[Leanne Martin]

Hiya,
Has anyone gotten any further with this?
We are a CfPS SDA for the new Health legislation, and this will be an area focus, especially relating to governance and accountability.
I was wondering if anywhere had drawn up (draft) governance structures/agreements/memorandum of understanding between a HOSC and a HWB.
Also, is the intent in all areas for the HWB to be a committee of the council/executive rather than a LEP style board?
Thanks,
Leanne

[Leanne Martin]

To clarify I guess, I am thinking about the disapplication/modification in relation to section 102 committees of the Local Government Act '72 and the proposed secondary legislation/regulations currently being drafted in relation to this?

Additionally does anyone know about a public consultation in autumn regarding health scrutiny?

[Steve Sienkiewicz]

(17-05-2012 10:55 AM)Leanne Martin Wrote:  To clarify I guess, I am thinking about the disapplication/modification in relation to section 102 committees of the Local Government Act '72 and the proposed secondary legislation/regulations currently being drafted in relation to this?

Additionally does anyone know about a public consultation in autumn regarding health scrutiny?

I think the consultation in the autumn will be around the draft regulations relating to health scrutiny, from the Health & Social Care Act.

[su turner]

Jane

I know that you raised this a while ago - but I just wanted to let you know that CfPS has just been funded to look at this very issue. We are workig with several councils (Healthwatch and scrutiny) to look at the complex relationship. A short publication is being launched in early september with some of the key areas and refined roles and responsibilities.

Su

[Laura Latham]

(30-05-2012 01:02 PM)Steve Sienkiewicz Wrote:  

(17-05-2012 10:55 AM)Leanne Martin Wrote:  To clarify I guess, I am thinking about the disapplication/modification in relation to section 102 committees of the Local Government Act '72 and the proposed secondary legislation/regulations currently being drafted in relation to this?

Additionally does anyone know about a public consultation in autumn regarding health scrutiny?

I think the consultation in the autumn will be around the draft regulations relating to health scrutiny, from the Health & Social Care Act.

Leanne - with regard to your question about the section 102 committees, as I understand it from some work ADSO has been undertaking with the DOH regarding draft regs for HWB's, it will be a Committee of Council.
Lawyers are being instructed in the next week or so to begin drafting regulations, which it is envisaged will be shared in Sept / October.

Many thanks

Laura

[Dean Gillon]

(18-07-2012 07:34 AM)Laura Latham Wrote:  

(30-05-2012 01:02 PM)Steve Sienkiewicz Wrote:  

(17-05-2012 10:55 AM)Leanne Martin Wrote:  To clarify I guess, I am thinking about the disapplication/modification in relation to section 102 committees of the Local Government Act '72 and the proposed secondary legislation/regulations currently being drafted in relation to this?

Additionally does anyone know about a public consultation in autumn regarding health scrutiny?

I think the consultation in the autumn will be around the draft regulations relating to health scrutiny, from the Health & Social Care Act.

Leanne - with regard to your question about the section 102 committees, as I understand it from some work ADSO has been undertaking with the DOH regarding draft regs for HWB's, it will be a Committee of Council.
Lawyers are being instructed in the next week or so to begin drafting regulations, which it is envisaged will be shared in Sept / October.

Many thanks

Laura

Does anyone know the status of the above regulations please? We're currently considering the democratic implications of setting up our HWB as a committee of the council, so it'd be useful to understand the available s102 clauses that Leanne refers to above. Thanks.

[Laura Latham]

(17-10-2012 10:49 AM)Dean Gillon Wrote:  

(18-07-2012 07:34 AM)Laura Latham Wrote:  

(30-05-2012 01:02 PM)Steve Sienkiewicz Wrote:  

(17-05-2012 10:55 AM)Leanne Martin Wrote:  To clarify I guess, I am thinking about the disapplication/modification in relation to section 102 committees of the Local Government Act '72 and the proposed secondary legislation/regulations currently being drafted in relation to this?

Additionally does anyone know about a public consultation in autumn regarding health scrutiny?

I think the consultation in the autumn will be around the draft regulations relating to health scrutiny, from the Health & Social Care Act.

Leanne - with regard to your question about the section 102 committees, as I understand it from some work ADSO has been undertaking with the DOH regarding draft regs for HWB's, it will be a Committee of Council.
Lawyers are being instructed in the next week or so to begin drafting regulations, which it is envisaged will be shared in Sept / October.

Many thanks

Laura

Does anyone know the status of the above regulations please? We're currently considering the democratic implications of setting up our HWB as a committee of the council, so it'd be useful to understand the available s102 clauses that Leanne refers to above. Thanks.

Hi All,

An update issued to ADSO is copied below....
I wouldn't actively proceed with any work until the Regulations have been laid as much of the feedback regarding disapplication / modification of requirements of S 102 clauses will impact on how Boards are established and should give local freedoms to implement Boards as required.

"We had intended to share our plans for the secondary legislation with shadow health and wellbeing boards during September, following the engagement exercise that took place earlier in the summer. Due to the need for us to engage the new Ministerial team on our plans following the reshuffle, this has been slightly delayed.

We are now planning to share our plans with shadow boards later this month. The focus of the legislation remains, as set up in the powers in the Health and Social Care Act, to disapply or modify elements of the existing legislation relating to section 102 committees of local authorities (the Health and Social Care Act says that health and wellbeing boards will be treated as a section 102 committee) where this is needed to enable health and wellbeing boards to function in line with the policy intention.

The overiding message we heard from the engagement exercise, was the need for local flexibility in relation to areas such as political proportionality, where the feedback was that the current requirements should be lifted through the regs. We also heard that some elements of the current requirements, such as around transparency, should be retained.

The document we plan to share later this month will set out which specific provisions in the current legislation we intend to disapply, modify and retain. It will not be a draft of the regulations, but we will be happy to take questions and discuss in further detail what we expect the regulations to contain if that is helpful to local areas. The legislation itself is due to be laid in January 2013"

Thanks

Laura

[Gareth Wall]

Back on Jane's original question, and ignoring all the committee stuff, we had a first session on this last night in Hackney. It was quite a simple start: HWB Members and Scrutiny Members (not just health scrutiny) in a room together, hearing about each other's roles and acknowledging their need to work constructively.

I've found the CfPS guidance on this to be really helpful. Our next step is to work up some local examples of the scenarios given in that guidance on pages 7-9. A healthy range of these, combined with a Hackney-flavoured version of the "roles" diagram on page 6 should set us on a good footing in future.

I'd be happy to share some of our local hypothetical scenarios once we've done them and would be very interested to see any others that people might have produced elsewhere.

Cheers
Gareth